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frickett · Apr 25, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

/signed. If I have already unlocked a skill it should be easier to unlock it for the other characters on my account...trader spam = bad. I don't like trying to sell, or trying to buy. If there is no auction house, there should at least be a trader for these sort of things.

MithranArkanere · Apr 25, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The tomes are intended to incourage trading amoung players. If they added a merchant to sell or buy from, then it removes that purpose.

Tomes are intended to ease and shorten the time required to learn 1134 skills (290 elites).
Players will trade anyway, just go to any Port city English-1 and see, so don't worry about that.
There are still a lot of people selling ectos, weapons an dyes.

The purpose of a trader is this:
Want this faster? Use trader.
Want this cheaper? Use the search party panel with a 'WTB'.

Dronte · Apr 25, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

/notsigned
Non-elite tome, simply unlock them in PvP then at LA, Kaineng, Command post, easy to get there.
Elite tomes:
Skill hunter title anyone? So u could get your skill hunter title with only money. GG.

MithranArkanere · Apr 25, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Dronte

/notsigned
Non-elite tome, simply unlock them in PvP then at LA, Kaineng, Command post, easy to get there.
Elite tomes:
Skill hunter title anyone? So u could get your skill hunter title with only money. GG.

Please, enough of that.

You are against tomes, not against traders.
This thread is to add a trader, not to add tomes, which are already in.
The Sweet toot title track (2) can be bought for 400*10,000=4,000,000gold.
The Drunkard title for around half of that.
Not very different.

Please stick to the topic: "Adding tome traders to:"
- Making not necesary to spend hours of trade-spamming to sell or buy them.
- Balance prices and ensure minimum and maximums to prevent abuse and scamming.

Prices fair and spam down. That is what traders do. Nothing else. No-thing.

Series · Apr 25, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Dronte

Elite tomes:
Skill hunter title anyone? So u could get your skill hunter title with only money. GG.

You can buy 5 million elite tomes. Wont help at all if you didn't earn all of the skills unlocked

Besides, you can ALREADY buy them from other players.

If you hate tomes, that's good and dandy, but post it somewhere else. This is about a trader, not the tomes themselves.

Henchman · Apr 25, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

This is a great idea and I was going to suggest it myself.

So far, everyone here who objects to adding the trader has not provided any valid reason why not to add the trader, except for the fact they don't think obtaining skills cheap should be easy. While that point is arguable, it has nothing to do with this thread.

Get this in your heads people- Tomes exist already. And guess what, People can buy them off of other players. So claiming that a trader should not be added because skills should not be bought for money makes about the same amount of sence as giving Koss Meteor Shower while wielding a -5hp Sword.

Since the prices and availabilty would be based on market prices, the trader's purpose is simply to act as a silent spammer who keeps shouting WTB and WTS. This would be good for both sellers, and buyers. The only people it would not be good for are scammers, who want ridiculous prices.

And incase you still didn't get it yet- Tomes can already be bought off of other players, and so can the Skill Hunter Title, but that is not the point of this thread.

deadmonkey4u · Apr 25, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I would support a trader. The way I see it tomes are mostly helpful to the pvp folks who if they want to dabble into PvE don't have to go through 13214 missions/quests to get to the boss to cap a skill unlocked through faction.

Exterminate all · Apr 25, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

/Unsigned.. the price is varies depending on the players now.. keep it like that. People would just buy the tome instead of going to the end of the game to get it, which would waste the point of beating the game and being able to get any skills.

Diddy bow · Apr 25, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Exterminate all

/Unsigned.. the price is varies depending on the players now.. keep it like that. People would just buy the tome instead of going to the end of the game to get it, which would waste the point of beating the game and being able to get any skills.

wrong tome

anyways /signed as long as there is some kinda cap (1K minnium)

Orinn · Apr 26, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

/signed

1: If a skill is unlocked on your account, then you can buy it at the trader, period. Everyone who is sying that it would make "good" skillbars easy to get for a level 5 is mising the update from a while back that lets every trainer teach you any non-elite skill that is available in that campaign: the trainer in Ascalon City teaches you every core and Prophecies skill you have unlocked. Not really that hard to make a decent skillbar if you're on your 4th elementalist or warrior.

2: Elite tomes are not gonna be restricted to the level 20's who can afford them. Saying you don't want a trader in Ascalon to keep the tomes out of the hands of level 5 characters is sort of like saying that max armor is only found in Drok's (or kaineng center) so that people don't get it too early: a good idea in theory, but as long as we have high-level characters that can buy things and give them to lowbies, it's simply not gonna work out. I've already given a few of my characters tomes and elite tomes that my dervish farmed. I could have made a new necro and taught them Spiteful Spirit at level 2, straight out of pre-searing, without any traders already...

Traders will bring the prices of tomes down to a market price. Currently, they're so new that people are charging (and getting) ridiculous amounts of money for them. I really don't see how the non-elite tomes should go for more than 1k, or the elites ones for maybe 5. I CERTAINLY think that the "economy" of selling tomes is ALREADY broken when people are offering to buy certain ones for 15k...

MithranArkanere · Apr 26, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by Exterminate all

/Unsigned.. the price is varies depending on the players now.. keep it like that. People would just buy the tome instead of going to the end of the game to get it, which would waste the point of beating the game and being able to get any skills.

Prices in traders ALWAYS varies depending on players.

The difference is that with traders they have a reference and can't be scammed.

cyberjanet · Apr 26, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

/signed

The tomes only allow you to learn skills you already have unlocked on you account. Trading in them is only natural, have the market determine the price of them. Why have to become part of spam trading? I reckon the now demoted Scrolls Trader should be the trader.

I agree.
/signed

D E C E P T I V E · Apr 26, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I like some aspects of the idea, but think it should be a trader that not only will trade you tomes in exchange for something but anything you want. The only thing that I see as a problem is the randomization of the drops, and in prophecies you get drops that are often completely useless because of the requirements of the weapon, type of weapon, and you are unable to salvage the perfect inscription from it. Or you get an elite necromancer tome when what you really want is an elite monk tome. It would be nice if the rare drops could be traded for something at a trader in order to be useful, sort of like the gemstone system of NF, where you could accumulate so many of them and trade them for what you want. Maybe instead of a gold weapon you could get a gold nugget and so many nuggets could be traded for the weapons, mods, or tomes that you want at a trader, or sold as a rare crafting material for a fair amount of plat, arould 3-5plat seems reasonable to me, or be traded or sold among players. I propose replacing the rare gold drops completely with something like gold nuggets that could be used for this, so you would never get a gold bow that you cant use, instead you would get a gold nugget that you could trade at a npc trader for something that you want. Maybe 1 for a perfect mod, 3 for a perfect req 8 weapon, 5 for an elite tome of your choice, etc.

MithranArkanere · Apr 26, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by D E C E P T I V E

I like some....

And this is related to the suggestion because...?

Sigh... I'll repeat it for the last time.

There is a new item type called Tome.
Those tomes allow people to learn unlocked skills without having to use skill points.
Currently, if you want to sell them, you have to spend too many time spamming the trade channel and merchants will pay you nothing for them.

Traders would fix that, making possible to get Tomes other players yfound and sold, without having to waste time in a city.

People would still be able to sell them if they want to get more cash from one or if they want to get them cheaper, but those who want them a bit quicker (not all tomes would be available always) they could use the trader, like they do when they need quickly:
- Dyes
- Materials
- Scrolls
etc.

That is the suggestion. And no matter woh many time d you think about it, it's good.

bilateralrope · Apr 26, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

By trader, we mean an NPC like the rune/material/scroll/dye traders.

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Originally Posted by D E C E P T I V E

I like some aspects of the idea, but think it should be a trader that not only will trade you tomes in exchange for something but anything you want.

Like gold which you can then use to buy something else ?

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The only thing that I see as a problem is the randomization of the drops, and in prophecies you get drops that are often completely useless because of the requirements of the weapon, type of weapon, and you are unable to salvage the perfect inscription from it.

1 - This isn't relevant to this thread.
2 - I'm pretty sure that the option to chose what mod you salvage out is for players of all campaigns. I know that it worked when my account was Prophesies+Factions. So your complaint about not getting the mod you want is only valid if the weapon comes with two, which I have never seen.
3 - The randomization of weapons is why they won't work with traders. But this thread doesn't have anything to do with weapons.

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Or you get an elite necromancer tome when what you really want is an elite monk tome.

Sell necro tome to trader for gold. Then spend some gold to buy the monk tome from the trader.

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As this isn't relevant to this thread, please go make a new suggestion thread about it.

freekedoutfish · Apr 27, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

And this is related to the suggestion because...?

Mith I'm not having a go, but you can notice a trend in the thread where you quote and counter-argue everyone who doesnt sign the idea.

Anyone who signs it isnt replied to.

You have to accept that not everyone is going to like the idea and not feel the need to defend the idea against them all.

Just an observation. I dont want the thread to off-topic.

Feyd Vdak · May 07, 2007, 06:38 AM // 06:38

/signed I think that any trader makes the game more convinient for those of us who don't always have the time to grind but still want to enjoy the game.

Besides, if you worked hard on your skill hunter title, then you can rest assured nobody will take it from you (unless you allow them).